Mary and Tim Wheeler, with son Christopher. Courtesy Mary Wheeler. |
Tim Wheeler was most likely the one who
entered the phrase “Don’t Let Them Immanentize the Eschaton!” into the
Discordian lexicon, but (partly thanks to Tim) the phrase already had a life in
conservative circles. Eric Vogelin coined it, but someone turned William F.
Buckley on to it and he then helped popularize it.
This probably accounts for the legend that Buckley was one of the
anonymous authors of Principia Discordia.
An abundance of the Wheeler’s materials have been incubating in
the Discordian Archives awaiting the appropriate time to be pulled out, dusted
off and re-injected into modern day Discordianism. A sprinkling of these materials
appear in Historia Discordia: Origins ofthe Discordian Society, some of which—as Steven Adkins points
out in the interview to follow—were misattributed to Thomas the Gnostic. D’oh! (Future editions of Historia Discordia will correct this glaring
miscue, Hail Eris!)
Consider this but the first installment of a plethora of Tim and
Mary Wheeler goodies which we will share with you in the days and weeks to
come! – Adam Gorightly from the Historia Discordia website.
I don’t recall exactly when I first heard of
Discordianism. I might have first been
exposed to it in the Illuminatus! trilogy. A friend of mine gave me a bedraggled copy I
repaired with duct tape; he handed it to me with the caveat that it was mine,
but I had to read it in one sitting. It just so happens I was heading to Mexico for a spell so I
took it with me and one day, sat down to read it. As ordered, I read it straight through over the course of
14 hours, stopping to eat, maybe not even then, reading throughout the night by
candlelight in my rented one-room shack tucked away in the village of General
Zaragosa, south of Monterrey in the desert state of Nuevo Léon. It has since had a big influence on me. I later collaborated on a Wiki called PlasticTub which, in retrospect, owes a great deal to the trilogy: a fictitious milieu of people with ridiculous
names, divided into factions and factions within factions, quasi-political,
spiritually apposed, engaged in clandestine warfare over obscure ideological
differences. The “heroes” are vaguely
Discordian.
In any event, I eventually moved to New Mexico and ended up
in Jemez Springs, another small mountain village in a desert state, and one of
my neighbors was a cool woman by the name of Mary Wheeler. She and
her two adult children were my friends and co-workers and for two years we hung
out and talked, drank a lot, explored the mesas with their abandoned settlements and
petroglyphs, chopped wood, shot guns, worked a little….
I knew Mary had been a Discordian because I ran across an
old copy of the Principia Discordia at her house one day. I don’t know which edition it was, but it was
yellow and about the size of a Jack Chick tract, maybe 2.5 by 5 inches, I’m not
sure. I was excited to hold it in my
hand and remember going on about how rare it was. Thing is, I never queried
Mary about it too much, although at some point she did tell me her “Discordian name” was
“Hope Springs”. When I saw Adam Gorightly’s Historia
Discordia had come out, I wrote and asked if he was familiar with a Discordian
named Hope Springs. He wasn’t, so I
thought it’d be a good idea to contact Mary and interview her. She graciously agreed and I was able to ask
her about a wide variety of topics. I
think it will be of interest to Discordians and fans of the Principia and
Illuminatus! I hope you agree.
Mary has been very generous with her memories and even sent
me a 3rd edition of the Principia complete with rubber stamps
and a rolling paper glued onto the title page.
It’s one of the most precious things I own. Thanks Mary!
Let’s start at the beginning….
The real hero behind that silly period was
Greg Hill, Malaclypse the Younger. A sweet, smart and funny guy who lived in
San Francisco. The Bobs were both working for Playboy, for the Playboy Advisor
column. I was Hope Springs, and Tim, my husband, was Harold Lord Randomfactor.
How did you know Greg?
How did the nicknames come about? Who dubbed you Hope Springs and Harold
Lord Randomfactor? BTW, when you told me Tim was Randomfactor, I nearly
popped apart, because he’s a character in the Illuminatus! trilogy.
We met Greg through Bob Wilson/Shea. We
chose our own nicknames. Tim was always citing names like Ida Clair, which were
a play on words. And yes, we certainly knew Randomfactor was a character in the
trilogy. And Bob Shea took a humorous interest in Emperor Norton of San
Francisco, a crazie who anointed himself.
It was all nonsense and silly and clever fun,
none of us were serious at all. In the few times we got together, all we did
was laugh. We also sent around "groovy kits," large Manila envelopes
filled with clippings, drawings, objects, that we treated with great reverence.
We smoked, opened the envelope, kept what we wanted and added to it, and mailed
it on to the next guy.
When you got together, was this
in theory at least for the Discordian Society? Where did you all get
together? Were these “groovy kits” a Discordian thing? What sort of
topics were in the clippings? Were these sent around to friends only or
were they ever sent to people you didn’t know personally, with instructions on
what to do? Were they actually called “groovy” kits?
Groovy Kit instructions. Courtesy Discordian Archive |
I can remember getting together with Greg
only once, at Bob Wilson’s in Chicago. We were living in Indiana by then, so
when we heard Greg would be visiting, we came up.
We had many social get-togethers with the
Sheas throughout the years, which were less Discordian than simply friendship.
The Groovy Kits were definitely Discordian.
The contents were very varied. Newspaper or magazine clippings, funny or
serious; actual objects, like something unusual with a “5” or a “23” on it.
Maybe a racy photo. A secret message, in code. Maybe a Mexican peso. It
could be anything, but it had to be interesting, one way or the other. As
far as I knew, it traveled between Wilson, Shea, Greg, Kerry and us. And yes,
we called it a groovy kit. And yes, we always smoked before opening it.
There were two versions of the Principia
floating around, and I think I have them both still. One groovy kit item we
kept was an original Crumb comic book, which I regrettably gave to [a mutual
friend] some years ago. I remember those days with great fondness, but never
imagined it would still be alive 40 years later. I mean, we were just kidding!
I can't honestly remember how we came to be a
part of this...surely it was either through Bob Wilson or Bob Shea. We stayed
close to the Shea's, not so much Wilson. Tim wrote an article for National
Review which Bill Buckley loved. He published the article and made it the
cover story. It was all about conspiracy theories and all sorts of stuff he had
picked up from these guys, so that makes me think that article came after our
association with them. But that article certainly would have cemented the
friendships. Remember we were on totally opposite sides of the political fence….well,
maybe not too opposite. Everyone seemed to be a libertarian/anarchist at the
time.
Was Tim a freelancer or a
staffer? How did you know the Bobs? Did you already share an
interest in conspiracies before meeting those guys, or did they turn you on to
it? Was Discordianism already well-established when you met them or did
you both have a role in shaping the ideas?
Our People's Underground issue of the National Review. Courtesy Mary Wheeler. |
Tim was on the staff for about 4 years, and
then when we moved to Indiana, he continued to write those short paragraphs up
front for the magazine. He was a contributing editor thereafter, for
about 30 years.
In those early years when Tim worked in the
office, as an editorial assistant, there was a lot of joking about the
Illuminati. I can remember conversations with fellow conservatives where the
conspiracy of the Illuminati ballooned into a conspiracy of left handed people,
or those with first cousins named Jeffrey. It spawned fantastic
letterheads! Nobody at NR took it seriously, and we made fun of those
that did. I think that is why it was so much fun to discover the
Discordians, who also didn’t take any of that seriously. We had discovered
like-minded people who tended to be liberals, or at least anarchists. And we
were right-wing crazies, although Tim was very much a libertarian. It was clearly
already established by the time we were introduced, because the Principia
had already been written. I think there were later editions that included
some of Our People’s Underworld paraphernalia.
An old roommate of mine worked
for the NRA (years ago) and got this cassette in the mail from a member put
out by the John Birch Society, a long thing about the Illuminati, one world
government, etc. What was the feeling about this line of thinking among
young conservatives at the time? Tim wrote a satirical article, so that’s
one indication….I ask because the belief that the Illuminati is out to install
one world government is a strong as ever. I know that this has deep roots
with the work of Taxil, Nesta Webster etc. I don’t know as much as I
should about the conservative movement of the period, so this may be a dumb
question, but what was the view of the Birchers among the NR-type
conservatives, the Buckley line of thinking?
Nobody could stand the whackos of the
Birchers when we were at National Review. Buckley had dismissed them,
losing critical subscribers, but picking up credence in the meantime. It was an
important move on NR’s part, and Buckley’s part. There is no one
today with that kind of power: he made the Birchers irrelevant to the
Conservative Movement.
I’ve always admired Buckley. Was he as charming
personally as he appears on film? Did he (WFB) know anything about
Discordianism?
Buckley was wonderful, extremely generous and
gracious and loyal. And the real war horse behind National Review those
days was his sister Priscilla, who was equally generous, gracious and loyal.
Bill did know about Discordianism, through Tim, but it wasn’t anything beyond
simple amusement…I doubt he gave it much thought. But National Review was
pretty hip. The older editors could be a bit stodgy, but they had kids our age,
and the staff was pretty young, and very clever. Humor was a big part of National
Review, lots of joking, pranking. Bill Rickenbacker was especially
mischievous.
BTW, I just
read this:
“Conservative
spokesman William F. Buckley popularized [Eric] Voegelin's phrase as
"Don't immanentize the eschaton!" Buckley's version became a
political slogan of Young Americans for Freedom during the 1950s and 1960s.”
(citing an NR article by Jonah Goldberg entitled “Immanent Corrections”)
One of the Wheelers' bumper stickers. Note the Larchmont address. Courtesy Discordian Archive. |
YAF was
never respected by those of us out of college and already at work in
Conservative circles. Those were clean-cut college kids, who we made fun of by
forming YARF, Young Americans for REAL Freedom, also acknowledged in Illuminatus!
YARF material. Courtesy Discordian Archive. |
WFB did
originally write about Voegelin's quote, and we also wrote about it in Rally,
a magazine we founded in '64 or '65, which was meant to be an avenue for young
writers. It lasted only a couple of years, not surprisingly. Rally was a serious venture. We were
back in Milwaukee, having been fired from the day-to-day National Review job.
We went to many Milwaukee businessmen and raised enough money to get it off the
ground, and then continued to raise money to keep it afloat. Rally was meant to
be a forum for young conservatives, that would theoretically then move on to
NR. It was a fine magazine. [see Rally
"Magazine" by Daniel H. Johnston at http://blogs.brown.edu/hallhoag/2014/08/15/rally-magazine/]
And then we
really promoted the phrase through merchandizing.
Your quote was done by evil Revisionists!
(And YAF wasn't even in existence in the 50s.)
Was it Tim who turned Bill on to the expression for the
first time? Did the Bobs and Greg know about it from Tim as well?
It wasn't Tim who told Bill about the phrase,
and it may have even been Milton Friedman...can't really remember. But it
definitely was Tim who popularized it. And I'm sure the Bobs and Greg were not
reading somewhat obscure Conservative magazines...they learned it from Tim.
[The phrase basically means trying
to create “heaven on earth”, kind of forcing the hand of God into bringing
about the final, heavenly stage of history (the eschaton). Conservative critics have used the phrase to
criticize usually but not limited to left-wing or utopian ideologies such as
communism.]
I’ll definitely be discrete with anything you say about
this, but didn’t you once tell me at some point you guys had a farm and grew a
little weed? I know RAW was into pot and LSD and I’m assuming this was fairly
current. Was this important at the time? Was it seen as something
like an exploration of innerspace, cosmic awakening etc….or just a good
time? Were young conservatives as apt to smoke a spliff or two as the
hippies?
When we moved to Indiana, we had 25 acres of
land, and three acres surrounding the house; that is, not under cultivation.
Yes, we grew a lot of pot – it kept us afloat through those years. It was an
income for us, though it simply horrifies me now to think how reckless we were.
I don’t know about the others, but we smoked just for the feel good. No
thoughtful insights, no magical apparitions. We smoked with a couple of our
conservative friends, but I don’t know about others. My guess is that everybody
smoked, but most people didn’t gab about it.
What exactly was Our People’s
Underground? I thought it was a group in the satire article, but I see
there were little mimeo magazines published by the OPU—SNAFU. What was
the group supposed to represent, even satirically and how did it come
about? Was it part of the joking about with conspiracies at the NR
you talked about?
Also, did you have a hand in creating SNAFU? Anything
you could tell us about it?
SNAFU addressed to Greg Hill. Courtesy Discordian Archive. |
We were
living in Larchmont, had three kids, one on the way. Tim was working for the
Conservative Book Club, headed by Neil McCaffery. Danny Rosenthal was the head
of the sales department, and he and Neil got into some sort of disagreement,
and we wound up siding with Danny, and Tim (and Dan) were fired from the CBC.
All of this happened when we were just getting involved with the Discordians.
Tim wrote
this hilarious piece about secret societies and goings-on, and when Bill
Buckley saw it, he immediately wrote Tim a note that asked if he could have the
article for $1000? Tim wrote back "yes, if I can keep this
note."
So the
commercial possibilities were enormous -- buttons, notepads, cards, and bumper
stickers. We produced them and sold them, and formed Our People's Underworld.
It kept us alive financially until Tim finally got a speech-writing job in
Indianapolis.
Along the
way we wrote and produced Snafu. Only four issues...it was very laborious. We
had an electric typewriter, but everything else was cut and pasted onto sheets,
and then taken to the printer.
It was, of
course, meant to be funny, but it was a source of income as well. Not much,
mind you, but we were a struggling family of six by the time we moved to
Indiana.
The
Illuminati-referenced stuff was always a huge seller.
My oldest
son Christopher has thousands of photos posted on PBase (csw62) and one gallery
is for Tim [http://www.pbase.com/csw62/dad]. There are lots of shots of old
notepads from OPU.
So you sold the notepads as
well? Was the OPU at first a satire and then you realized it could be a
source of revenue, or was there a financial interest from the get-go? Was
there any sense that the Discordian thing could generate revenue as well, or
was that more a labor of love? I mean, the Principia was for sale, no?
Wheeler-designed letterheads used in Operation Jake. Courtesy Chris Wheeler. |
The original
article was serious satire of conspiracies, but all the merchandising flowed
naturally from OPU. We didn't have anything to do with any commercial aspect of
Discordianism. I wasn't aware that Greg was selling Principia [he was]...indeed, it
seemed to us that copies were scarce and sacred. I think any real commercialism
of their stuff was after it faded from our lives.
Did you write
any of the SNAFU material? If so, what?
Were you personally as interested in the subject of conspiracies as the
others? How did the whole interest in
conspiracies get started at NR?
How did you
guys react to Tim appearing as a character in the Illuminatus! Trilogy? Did you feel slighted that Hope Springs
didn’t make an appearance? Besides you
and Yvonne, were there other women Discordians?
Also, was
wondering if you had any anecdotes about Thornley. I didn’t get if you’d ever met in person, but
maybe the others told you about him.
I didn't write any of the material, but I helped choose the cartoons, the
photos, drawings...all the illustrative stuff. And helped paste it all
together. I did all the administrative work. There were supposed to
be 8 issues, but only four were published.
I'm sure Tim was pleased about Randomfactor
-- I don't really remember. All these years later, I was surprised to see that
there were quite a few years between OPU and Discordianism, and the publishing
of Illuminatus! I would have guessed it was much closer together.
Our best-selling button was “Don't Let Them
Immanentize the Eschaton.” That appeared in the trilogy. It referenced
the original OPU issue of NR. And lots of OPU stuff was mentioned in the
appendix of Part III, and Operation Jake, wherein some selected politicians
received weird letters on weirder letterhead.
Bob Wilson's wife Arlen, I'm sure, was
active. But it was mostly a male thing. BTW, I got a beautiful condolence note
from Bob Wilson when my step father died in 1970. I kept it for a long
time, but don't have it anymore. It was serious, and sweet, and wise. It was
not a side of him I had seen.
We never met Kerry, but certainly had lots of
cheerful correspondence with him.
I don't know
if you could see Breaking Bad [she asks because I live in France; I saw it!] but the goofy lawyer was named Saul
Goodman, and he now has a spin off show, being filmed in Albuquerque.
Coincidence? I think not....
I’d
forgotten Saul Goodman was a detective in Illuminatus! Before I print this, you can go over it to
make sure you’re ok with the content. I won’t go on forever, but I want
to let it unfold slowly so I don’t neglect anything.
I have no
problem with anything you print, except if it characterized one of these guys
in a mean way. There was nothing mean or nasty or disparaging about any of our
relationships.
Can you tell
me more about Project Jake, how it came about and was carried out, who was targeted?
You mentioned
you were surprised that people are still into this because you were all joking
around; why do you think people are still into it? Several editions of the
Principia have been brought out, does that surprise you?
We were
first involved with Operation Mindfuck, wherein we took all those subscription
inserts in magazines, filled in the "enemy's" name, and subscribed
for them!
So just
furthering the game, and taking advantage of insane letterheads that we kept
creating, we would write bogus letters to politicians that we particularly
didn't like. With us, it would have been people like John Lindsey, or Jacob
Javits. With the others it would have been right-wing congressmen or senators.
Some carbon copies made their way into groovy kits.
We were
drawn in for the humor, the cleverness, the unusual-ness, and maybe even the
novelty of conservatives making friends with liberals (although we all were
pretty much libertarians.) We all thought we were funny and clever. Perhaps
that is why people are still being drawn in. The Trilogy was very funny and
clever...I think certain types of people are drawn to it. And the guys were
writers, who had a respect for their fellow crazies. We all like
to think we are funny and clever.
And in our
own way, we took it seriously to the extent of making some money out of it,
though I can't really speak to Greg's motives. But the content -- it just
wasn't real. It was made up. It was whimsy.
We had tons
of correspondence from Kerry, the Bobs, and Greg, but when Tim died,
our youngest wound up tossing almost all his papers. If he hadn't already
gotten rid of them, she certainly did.
Hi Mary, I
just got back from Italy yesterday and found the Historia Discordia book
in my mailbox. Just leafing thru it so far, but it’s already inspired a
couple of questions….
In a section
about the Groovy Kits, the editor mentions that following Emperor Norton’s
example, the Discordians began issuing banknotes and there are several
references to flaxscript and the exchange rate with Murphy Notes, apparently
your and Tim’s invention? Anything you can say about this?
Also, in an
odd and ends section at the end, he reproduces one of your “Don’t let THEM
Immanentize the Eschaton” bumper stickers, as well as a collection of what I
believe are your letterheads (including YARF); he has these latter as being
compiled by one “Thomas the Gnostic” and credits the bumper sticker to the
same. Is this an error, or was Thomas another one of Tim’s aliases?
Funny name, given Voegelin’s negative attitude towards Gnosticism.
I remember
flaxscript, but Murphy Notes? No, not really. I believe none of us were
wealthy, or even very well off, and would not have fallen for silly
money.
I don't
remember Thomas, and all that paraphernalia was Our People's Underworld,
founded by Harold Randomfactor, before (barely) we became aware of
Discordianism. But it would not surprise me if somewhere down the line Tim used
Thomas the Gnostic for something or other. It wouldn't have been anything
sustained, or else I would remember it. [The Historia misattributes
the sticker; Thomas the Gnostic was in fact another person.]
Tim would have enjoyed the irony of Thomas,
and he was no fan of Catholicism, but he was deeply Christian, à la C. S.
Lewis. He was brought up in the Congregational church, but he held little
respect for a tyranny of church. But individually, he was very much a believer
in God, and in Jesus. He even said to me, that absurd notion that even if one
didn't know for sure about god and the hereafter, it was better to err on the
side of belief.
BTW, what were The Freebish Papers?
Freebish Papers "from HOPE & HAROLD". Courtesy Discordian Archive. |
The Freebish Papers were nothing really, just a joint letter to a bunch of friends, there
weren't more than a couple of them. Just personal correspondence.
What do you think of seeing all
these scanned documents you guys made? [I’m referring here to the Discordian
Archive that Adam inherited containing a multitude of Greg Hill’s papers]
No wonder
Tim never met a deadline! What an insane amount of time he spent on this. I'm
sure this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Link to more non-Discordian info about Tim Wheeler:
Human Events “Friends Remember Tim Wheeler” http://humanevents.com/2007/08/24/friends-remember-tim-wheeler/
Note: The initial posting of this article had a link to NR articles by one Tim Wheeler. These were, in fact by another Tim Wheeler, so I have removed this link. I apologize for the mistake.
Note: The initial posting of this article had a link to NR articles by one Tim Wheeler. These were, in fact by another Tim Wheeler, so I have removed this link. I apologize for the mistake.
LoS would like to thank Mary Wheeler, Christopher Wheeler, the Wheeler family and Adam Gorightly for their time and hemp, er, I mean help.